Our sorry economy: An interview with Allan Meltzer

Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:01 pm
By: Bill Steigerwald

By BILL STEIGERWALD Carnegie Mellon University economics professor Allan Meltzer has served as a consultant on economic policy for Congress, the U.S. Treasury and the World Bank and has written “A History of the Federal Reserve,” part-one of his definitive history of the Fed that ranges from its founding in 1913 to 1951. On Thursday, July17, I called Meltzer, 80, at his home not far from the CMU campus to find out his thoughts on the sorry state of the economy — and what Washington is or is not doing right to make things better: Q: Oil prices have taken a nice dip and stock prices are jumping. Is the worst over for the economy? A: Who knows? The decline in oil prices is probably a sign that the oil market recognizes that the world economy is slowing. Despite all the talk a bout speculators, the facts about the oil market are very simple: The demand has been about 1 million barrels a day more than the supply. Demand has been increasing and the supply has been falling. So you don’t need to blame speculators to get a story about why the prices have been rising. Q: And stocks moving up is not the start of a big trend? A: A lower oil price does help. Despite all the talk about the housing market — and the housing market is in many locations a serious problem — it is not the major problem, as far as I can see. The major problem for the economy is that people are really pushed against their budgets to pay for gasoline and food, which have risen. Oil prices get into every product we buy; every product moves by truck or airplane, and those industries are seeing serious cost increases. So prices are going to rise for transportation, and that affects everything we buy. Q: Do you see the high prices of energy as temporary or permanent? A: This is not a temporary problem. It’s a long-term problem I have argued for several years that the argument between those who think that we need more oil and those who think that there are environmental problems should not be the main argument. And now people are coming around to the view, which I’ve held for a long time, that this is a serious national security problem, because the money that we spend for oil is going to people who don’t like us for the most part — Venezuela, Iran. We are helping to finance the building of the atomic arsenal in Iran. We are financing the Saudi Arabians, who are building mosques all over the world to preach hatred of the United States. Q: When we talked in August last year, you said that the world economy was in pretty good shape. What’s gone wrong since then? A: Financial crisis, energy crisis, food prices rise. I wrote a piece for The Wall Street Journal in February which said the Fed was making a mistake. It was overemphasizing the possibility of a reces sion, and reacting to it; it was underestimating the risk of inflation, which was serious. I think they’ve now come around to the view that they made a mistake. Q: And you were right on both of those counts. A: Yes. And not only did they make a mistake but they have put themselves in a position where they don’t want to change before the election; and so we’re going to stay here. We’re not going to see much happen on the monetary side, and the housing problem, that gets so much attention, is a very localized problem. Q: Is the U.S. economy in serious trouble or are we — the media and politicians — focusing too much on the negatives? A: We are having serious problems. But there isn’t much that the Congress can do that is going to be helpful in the housing problem. I say that with all due regard for the problems of the people who are being pushed out of their houses. But the fact is that those house prices got to be extraordinarily high and they are coming down now. It’s important that they come down.. When Congress goes out and says, “We’re going to protect them” and “We’re not going to allow housing prices to fall,” they are delaying the solution to the problem. It’s sad but true, but the adjustments have to take place. Q: What are our leaders in Washington doing right now that is correct? A: Well, what they are mostly doing is what they do most — and that is, fighting with each other. They can’t do much about what is going to happen over the next six months or even the next year. But they can do things which will make the world and the United States a much better place two or three years from now … . I’m a strong believer in nuclear power. We’re not going to get it tomorrow but we’re not going to get it at all if we don’t start. If we had started it 10 years ago, we’d be getting it now. So the argument that people in Congress make that says, “Well, we won’t get any benefit from drilling in the Atlantic or the Pacific for years” — well, that’s true. But if we started years ago, we’d be getting it now. It’s absolutely wrong to say that because we won’t get the oil for five years, we won’t get any benefit now. The future price will go down. And if the future price goes down, the spot price will go down, too, because on average the spot price — the current price — and the future price are going to differ by interest rates and the cost of storing oil. So one comes down, the other comes down. Q: How confident are you that the same people who got us into this mess can get us out without merely pushing all our problems farther down the road? A: Not confident at all. I think we ran a very sensible monetary policy from about 1985 to about 2002. We had long periods of expansions with very small recessions. We’ve given that up and the Fed has gone back to doing the silly things it did in the 1970s — being too concerned about the possibility of recession, thinking that the inflation will be put off, and all that. That was a mistake in the 1970s and it’s the same mistake they are making now Q: What should the average American newspaper reader or TV watcher keep his eye on that would be a good signal to him that we are heading in the right direction again? A: Once he sees that housing prices fall and are approaching a bottom, things will begin to get better. Bill Steigerwald is a columnist at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. E-mail Bill at steigerwald@caglecartoons.com. ©Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, All Rights Reserved. Published in The Messenger 7.23.08